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Post by laurenbarkley7 on May 23, 2011 20:51:56 GMT -5
 Hello! I am so pleased to have found this website! I have so many questions and would very much appreciate the advice of more experienced bird companions. I have a whiteface tiel named Vanillaface. I have had him since Nov 2010. He is almost a year old now. I put his cage outside in the afternoons in part shade when it is nice out and he seems to like it. I grew worried he wanted the companionship of another bird, maybe a girlfriend, after noticing the way he would call to other birds and mimick the outside bird's calls. I throw out his old seed and they come to visit him and he gets very excited, climbing to the bottom of his cage and talking to them. Anyway, so I purchased a girlfriend for him from the gentleman I got Vanilla from. He seems to like her, serenading her with whistle stop from robin hood and the whistle from Kill Bill  but when they are together he is all of the sudden viscous to us. I have her in her own enclosure mainly but put them together sometimes. I was hoping to put them together in his big, nice enclosure after a grace period. The grace period was to ensure he would be nice to her because he was mean to a different female tiel we introduced him to. Now the grace period has become an effort to keep him nice with us. He still our little buddy when she's not in his enclosure with him, running over and ducking his head for rubs and talking to me, working on step up STILL But when she is with him he runs over with is mouth wide open trying to bite and lunging! He lures us in and attacks! Its crazy the difference! Any advice? I really do want them to share an enclosure and dont know what to do here. ANY advice is so appreciated. Also I was curious about the cockatiel genetics. She is an all white cockatiel with dark red eyes. I looked it up and people were calling her whiteface ino but the gentleman I bought them from said she was albino. What do you get out of a whiteface male and all white female? Im pretty sure I dont want eggs cause I have'nt the slightest but I am very curious what sort of babies they would have. Also any advice at all on anything about these guys is so much appreciated! Thanks so much! Sorry such a long note! Lauren
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Post by marieandchirpy on May 23, 2011 21:30:14 GMT -5
I have no idea why the tiel acts up when the female is in the cage. Maybe it is displaced aggression, which is he does not like the idea of having another bird in his home and is taking it out on you.
Well if the two do decide to mate then you will get eggs. I have no idea how to prevent this. But if he keeps on acting aggressive it maybe best if he remains by himself in his cage. That does not mean he has to be the lone bird. You can keep the other bird's cage nearby.
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Post by laurenbarkley7 on May 24, 2011 22:07:52 GMT -5
Thank you so much for your advice. I really appreciate it!
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Post by White Wolf on May 25, 2011 14:12:57 GMT -5
Hello Lauren, We are happy to have you here. You have come to the right place for experienced bird persons. Please be patiant during the warmer months as there are many bird shows going on and many of us find it difficult getting to the comp during shows. Most cockatiels enjoy the sounds of the outdoor birds, and his imitating them sounds to me like he is very happy being outdoors. Had you not already gotten another, I would have discouraged it at this point. Many times when a new bird is brought in the other becomes jelous, especially if the new bird time runs into the other birds usual play time with mommy or daddy. I only would suggest getting a second bird if you and your family want another bird, not because your bird might. Like people they have a mind of their own and may or may not like the friend you have chosen for them. That said, what to do now to make BOTH the birds AND you happy. To me this behaviour sounds like he has taken great interest in his new friend, and he will likely continue to act up so long as she is in his sight or earshot and he cant be with her. He has become protective of her, and rather than seeing you as the "company" he now sees her as such. If you want him to remain calm and tame you must take the time every day to continue your daily activities just as you did before...petting, offerin treats, etc. Once a tiel realizes that bad behaviour is tolerated it will only get worse, so it needs to be stopped now. Biting especially can be learned behaviour. Once they realize that biting will get the results they want the more they will do it. In my opinion I would keep them seperated until 1. they are both handleable and 2. you want and are prepared for, babys. If she has dark eyes and not red, she is a clear pied [no markings] not a white face lutino. Not to confuse you but what many refer to as "albino" is actually white face lutino, as there is no true albino in cockatiels. As for what you might get...that depends on what he is split to and what she is split to. Cockatiel genetics are confusing for most but I will try to help ya here...if you get any lutino babys they will be both male and female...since pearl, lutino, slyc, and cinnamon are sex linked genes and only the male can carry them if you get babys from any of theses and the hen is not, they will be female, because the male will pass the genes to his daughters. Note that males born to this clutch could be split to any of those genes, and may not show up till many years later. The female too can be split to many other genes like fallow, silver, pastelface, so not knowing what you have, makes an accurate guess difficult, however breeding a white face clear pied with a white faced grey you should get all white faced grey split pied. If you have a white faced lutino with a white faced grey you will get all white faced grey babys but your males will be also split lutino. I need to point out that if the male and female were switched the babys would be different.
Now how to avoid making babys...other than the obvious, of keeping them seperated...less than 10 hours of daylight [cover the cage], keep food servings normal, not more one week and less another. Move toys and perches around regualrly, once a week should suffice. This is just the beginning of your lives together, so love them, care for them, keep them clean, and keep us posted, blessings and best of luck. Ruth
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Post by laurenbarkley7 on May 26, 2011 5:54:24 GMT -5
Ruth I can not thank you enough! Your advice is so appreciated! It makes perfect sense he is protecting her! Similar to my dogs, now he thinks she is pack leader. Or flock leader I should say Something like that. I will be sure to keep them in their own enclosures until I have spent more time working with them. I want to really research the responsibilities required in letting them have little tiels one day. Not anytime soon. Do you have any advice on working with him? I want him to trust me, but how do I tell him not to bite? Oh yes and she is all white with dark red eyes. Does that make her whiteface lutino? If so, could some of the babies that are males split lutino be the pretty yellow kind of lutinos or would they be white ones with red eyes like her? Thank you again! Lauren |
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Hello! I am so pleased to have found this website! I have so many questions and would very much appreciate the advice of more experienced bird companions. I have a whiteface tiel named Vanillaface. I have had him since Nov 2010. He is almost a year old now. I put his cage outside in the afternoons in part shade when it is nice out and he seems to like it. I grew worried he wanted the companionship of another bird, maybe a girlfriend, after noticing the way he would call to other birds and mimick the outside bird's calls. I throw out his old seed and they come to visit him and he gets very excited, climbing to the bottom of his cage and talking to them. Anyway, so I purchased a girlfriend for him from the gentleman I got Vanilla from. He seems to like her, serenading her with whistle stop from robin hood and the whistle from Kill Bill 
but when they are together he is all of the sudden viscous to us. I have her in her own enclosure mainly but put them together sometimes. I was hoping to put them together in his big, nice enclosure after a grace period. The grace period was to ensure he would be nice to her because he was mean to a different female tiel we introduced him to. Now the grace period has become an effort to keep him nice with us. He still our little buddy when she's not in his enclosure with him, running over and ducking his head for rubs and talking to me, working on step up STILL 
